I'm not a native english speaker, and I couldn't find the meaning of the joke by looking at the Steamboat Willie summaries.

It may just be me but I noted something while they were at the Estate Agent in Indian Takers.

Lindsey initially denied having children and then, while talking about payment plans and how they didn't really have any prospects is when she backtracks and say "We do have a Daughter." Think about that for a second.

Yeah.

While it's not intentional it does offer the unfortunate implication that the Funkes would be willing to use Mabey as a prostitute to pay for the house.

The reason it's also Ironic Foreshadowing is because while Lindsey unitentionally implied that she would use Mabey that way, later in the series Mabey became Lindsey's pimp.

Yeah I may be thinking too much into this.

Love ends his dinner with Lindsay rather abruptly, standing up and stating loudly that "I think the best position for me to be in tonight is with my wife." It's as if he's nervous about being seen with Lindsay, even though that's not something that concerned him up until that moment. Right after this, we get a shot of the other patrons in the restaurant staring up at Love. None of them look familar to me, but there's a mysterious man sitting in shadow at the bar who the camera seems to highlight. Is this man stalking Love? Do we know him? Will we know him?

This seems like a stupid question, and maybe I missed something, but I just wanna know what other people think about what happened in "A New Attitude." Did GOB really sleep with Tony Wonder? Why?

- I would say yes, because of the scene where Michael sees Tony coming out of GOB's bedroom. I suppose that alone doesn't necessarily mean they actually slept together, but the way that the characters behave in this scene (Tony running away, GOB giving Michael a Forget-Me-Not pill, the "bad example" GOB tells Michael about) is pretty damning. I mean, if they hadn't actually slept together why wouldn't GOB just explain what happened with Ann and the masks instead of making Michael forget?

I guess my real question is... Why do people still not think GOB is gay or at least bisexual? I'm just wondering (ha) what the argument against that is? Yes, Ann tricked them by making each of them think it was Ann in the mask when it was really the two of them, but obviously they would quickly discover who it really was...

So did they find out Ann had tricked them and then decide to sleep together anyway? In which case, GOB is definitely attracted to men, right? This seems like pretty undeniable proof that Tony and GOB were/are more than just friends. 

Also, what do you think was meant when Michael said he "always knew it" after seeing Tony? If you guys have any opinions on whether or not GOB is gay/bisexual, pls discuss !!

I was just editing the Never Nude page and I just noticed / realised that Lindsay is wearing Tobias's short shorts... I can't believe I didn't see them before:

Did anyone else miss this?

I didn't want to write this on here but considering that Jeffrey Tambor is in Arrested Development Season 5, his situation might have an impact the final production stages of Season 5, here are my thoughts:

I don’t want him to lose his job on Transparent (he's left, so that's that) and I don’t even know what’s going to happen with Arrested Development. But he needs to face the consequences is these allegations turn out to be true. I still believe in innocent until proven guilty but it’s hard when any of my favourite actors are accused of something so disturbing.

The promotional events for Season 5 should be celebratory (and they will be) but they are going to have a dark cloud hanging over them and the same questions will be asked (over and over). Scandal's usually go away in Hollywood but the 2017 sexual harassment stories will not go away...

Here's a new angle on Lucille2's disappearance i don't think anyone has mentioned. What if it was Oscar who was being such a horndog and agressive that he knocked her down and carried her off? I tried to add this to the original thread but that seems to be locked against further discussions -

Here’s a theoretical time-line for the Fourth Season using all the spans of time mentioned in the series:

2006, February - Queen Mary incident

2006, March – Lucille home from prison (seven weeks before George-Michael’s graduation party)

2006, May - George-Michael’s graduation party/Lindsay and Tobias get two year lease on house (three months after Queen Mary incident)

2006, November 16 – The Funkes celebrate Thanksgiving early

2006, November 23 – The Funkes confused by Thanksgiving cartoons

2007, November – Lucille’s trial/Lindsay runs off with Marky/Buster moves in with Lucille 2 (“Indian Takers” narration says this occurs one year after Thanksgiving incident)

2008, May – Maeby loses house and moves into penthouse/Buster rejoins the army (2-Year lease is up/Buster re-joins army six month before drone attack)

2008, November – Lindsay moves into penthouse and forces Maeby out after one year in desert/Buster sees Lucille for first time after drone attack (Buster says he hasn’t seen his mother in over a year)

2009, November – Marky builds bomb for Love Rally/Michael moves into Penthouse (He and Lindsay one year in penthouse)

2010, May – Cinco de Quatro

This version definitely eliminates the extra two years from the George Michael and Maeby timeline, and shows how much earlier Buster might have been in the army. Unfortunately, it doesn’t give enough time for George Michael’s time in college or Maeby’s five years in high school.

This episode features one of my favorite jokes in the entire season, when young George Sr. asks Tracey Bluth if the Babytock machine leads to a smarter baby-- Tracey-- "It's impossible" (followed by immediate voice over by young Lucille masquerading as Tracey)- "to deny!  I've always wanted a smart baby."

I find that line incredibly hilarious.  I looked for a transcript for this episode but I guess it hasn't been done yet.

Sorry folks, but I had yet another instance of not really understanding what's going on in a fourth season episode.  This seemed to happen to me pretty often this season (and much more often than in the first three seasons).  I'm not sure if that's because of my inherent slowness (something I'll readily admit to) or the confusing nature of the writing.  I suspect it's a little of both in that the first three seasons seemed fairly comprehensible to me for the most part, but I found this last season significantly more confusing.

In Episode 4.11, "A New Attitude," Sally Sitwell somewhat cryptically refers to stealing $100,000 from Lucille Austero to jump start Tony Wonder's magic career by pretending to be gay.  What is she talking about?  $100,000 spent on what?

On an unrelated point, what made Sally such a b**** this season?  She had basically been fairly benevolent in her earlier appearances.  Here, she insults Michael, steals from Lucille 2, and seems gleeful about ruining Lindsay.

For the life of me, I can't figure this one out.

I'm wondering if the strange switch between George Sr. and Oscar, where George becomes weaker and more effeminate while Oscar becomes more dominant, is related to the commode?  When George Sr. has maca root for the first time (?) with Oscar, George Sr. asks Oscar if he is concerned that the maca bush is directly downhill from the commode, and Ron Howard says "he should have been."  Could there have been something from the commode that George consumed that was affecting him?  I'm not quite sure what, but Howard's comment makes me suspicious.

Edit: others on reddit have speculated that maybe Oscar's time in the sweat lodge explains why he wasn't affected (since he may have been sweating out whatever he and George were consuming), which is an interesting theory.

Edit # 2: another possibility is that the "pills" that George mentions to Dr. Norman that he has been taking are not what George thinks (i.e. Viagara or something similar) but rather estrogen or something else.

I'm late to the party, having waited for the Dvd's to watch the fourth season, and having just watched all of the fourth season episodes for the first time.  I'm currently going through the fourth season a second time.

Anyway, the reason for this thread is my disappointment at Michael's downhill slide (and, to a lesser extent, George Michael's as well).  These two characters have generally served as the 'proxies' for the audience by being less unsavory than most of the other characters, but they both sink fairly low this season.

I'm sorry to be so negative, but I was a tremendous fan of the first three seasons, and I really wanted to like the fourth, but it wasn't easy with the general downhill trend for all of the characters (but particularly for Michael).  This one wasn't my favorite episode ("Flight of the Phoenix") but I did like some of the others.

I was just wondering if others felt the same way about the directions taken with Jason Bateman and Michael Cera's characters.

Is it because Michael and Lindsay both tried to use the Balboa Club membership earlier, and had already racked up a large debt?  But then, why would Annyong (in particular) be deemed responsible for that bill, as opposed to any one of the other Bluths?  (Not that I'm sorry to see him go, he was definitely annoying; I just don't understand the rationale).  Also, the narrator says it costs him his 'freedom.'  Does that mean he was imprisoned rather than deported?

Admittedly, I'm a bit dense when it comes to business matters, but I really don't quite "get" the whole wall scheme of George Sr.  His initial scheme-- to buy the land cheap, then gouge the government for the land later-- is straightforward enough.  I don't quite get why Lucille subsequently wanted to actually build the wall, though, unless she thought they could make a profit out of it somehow-- by taking the government's money then cutting corners, maybe?  But then why do they want to kill the wall after learning that their property is in Mexico and not the U.S.?  Wouldn't they still make money off the wall project (from government payments) regardless of where their own land is?

I was rewatching Season 4 and I noticed that one of the members of the Jade Dragon Triad is a man in drag called "Mrs Oh".

Anybody else think that this could be Hel-Oh, trying again to take revenge on the Bluth family?

There are several things wrong with the Season Four timeline of “Arrested Development.” For one, there’s a two year gap of inactivity for practically all the characters. Maeby skips school for two years, George Michael is overseas for two years, GOB is unaccounted for two years and Michael, George, Lindsay, Tobias and Lucille have two years where nothing happens in their relative locations. GOB’s wedding and Lucille’s trial seemingly occur a year after the fact.

Tobias’s story supposedly places Pete and Dave’s funerals as before he and Lindsay go to the methadone clinic (Spring 1997), but since Maeby moves into the model home after Michael left and she lost her job at Imagine, it begs the question as to where Michael was living until he moved into George Michael’s dorm room in his senior year of high school (November 2012). The only possibility is that Michael stayed in the model home far longer after Pete’s death before going to live with George Michael and Maeby was secretly living there without him knowing.

Another thing, GOB meets Mark Cherry and Rebel Alley in May 2007 after getting out of the storage unit. He parties with Cherry until September 2007 and hits his roofie circle from October 2007 to February 2008 (he falls to spot Halloween and Christmas decorations). However, the event of the Opies implies all this activity occurred between May 2011 to February 2012 (when Cherry releases “getaway”.) If GOB was with Mark Cherry from September 2007 to February 2012, does this mean Rebel had that dead dove in her freezer for three years until Michael found it?

I caught something in Season 4 (Smashed) that had me wondering that perhaps Lindsay and Tobias are actually brother and sister. When Tobias is sitting talking to Argyle Austero at Austerity, Argyle mentions that he and his sister (Lucille 2) played "the young lovers" in the musical "The Fantastics." As Tobias and Argyle start singing together, Ron Howard (narrator) says, "it was uncanny how much the two men had in common."

There are numerous references to incest, young lovers, and people unknowingly dating their relatives throughout the show, so this would seem to fit with that theme.

Something else that supports this theory is from the Reddit AMA 1 year ago by Mitch Hurwitz. Someone asks hims if he could be any BLUTH, who would it be, and after going on about Mark, an unrealized 5th sibling, Mitch says this, "Who would I want to be? I guess I'd want to be Tobias, because he's the most oblivious and the happiest. And he's the dreamer. And he doesn't know how unrealistic his dreams are, so he's happy." But Tobias isn't a Bluth... or is he?!?

Also, on the Reddit AMA 4 years ago from “Crindy” the supposed writer’s assistant said, “One of Tobias' real parents were gone to be black.”

Who could be Tobias's parents? Here are some ideas:

-Tobias is Nellie/Nichael and George Sr. and Jessica T are his parents. Jessica T could be a black woman. There was a reference that George Sr. makes to Tobias being Nellie.

-Tobias is Lucille's child with another man person that she conceived while touring with the military.

-Lucille 2 and her late husband. She could also be Lindsay's daughter, making Tobias and LIndsay siblings.

-Stan Sitwell and ?

I wrote an article about who I think Lindsay's birth mother and the significance to the ostrich and how it all ties together.

http://deathtojohnny.kinja.com/arrested-development-lindseys-birth-mother-the-ostric-1693348514?rev=1427235314287